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October 13, 2003Another Single Issue Voter
Billmon has yanked his endorsement of Dean because he didn't like Dean's answer on CNN about Israel bombing Syria.
So I'm un-endorsing him. I could spend a lot of time and effort trying to explain why this one, single issue is so important to me it would cause me to do a political 180 on a presidential candidate, but I'm not really in the mood. Suffice it to say that whatever else I like or admire about Dean -- and there are some things -- they weren't enough to persuade me to endorse him before the Israel issue came up, and they're not enough to keep me endorsing him now.The Middle East is not something I'm very informed about. I have run into some of the attitudes described in the comments thread to Billmon's post. Night before last I was at my Aunt's house and my uncle (an Israeli) offered me some Israeli wine. Upon examining the bottle I discovered it was from the Golan Heights and cracked a good natured joke about it actually being Syrian wine. It shouldn't have surprised me much but it ruined the evening. I was called a facist, murderer and many more things. My Uncle openly advocates ethnic cleansing in the territories as the only solution. And, oddly, I am considered the radical in the family. But I digress; The majority of the people in the house were intelligent educated liberal moderates but any critique of Israel quickly becomes equated to supporting blowing up women and children (I guess the men aren't that important). What is the implication of this story? How does it relate to Dean's statment? I'll let the reader decide what to take from my story.I tend to believe that on this issue, as on the issue of gay marriage, what's going on here is as described in the following comments: there are lots of times when you can take a stand and draw the debate towards your position, and there are lots of times when taking a stand prematurely just casts you into the wilderness. Posted by J at October 13, 2003 07:00 AM
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I just posted this over at bilmon, Howdy Bilmon, My thoughts on your un-endors'nstuff of Dean. You supported the Afghan war right? I'll quote you here "I supported that war, though I hated every minute of it. I supported it because I thought the evidence was overwhelming that Afghanistan has been used to stage a barbaric attack against the United States, and because I don't think international law requires Americans to submit meekly to slaughter." Using your logic, if Israel did indeed have intelligence that Syria was a 'staging ground' for attacks against civilians in Haifa, you would support Israel's action right? If you hate Israel, that's cool -just don't try to rationalize Dean's statement as letting you down in some way when according to your own words.. you should agree with him. Posted by: llamasonic at October 13, 2003 01:37 PMAnd at Billmon, I responded to you llamasonic: llamasonic at October 13, 2003 01:31 PM , you seemingly fell again into the the trap of not distinguishing between a justified harsh critique of Israels Ultra-Right-Wing policies of waging war, and the right of existence for the state of Israel! Noone has said or would think of "hating Israel" around here - that is just hogwash. To side with the Israeli left, supporting their realistic PEACEPLAN in all their KEYPOINTS TOWARD A TREATY does not mean to "hate Israel". Saying so reminds of fascist NeoCon falsities, and remove the argument from a discourse of reason. I pity that. Contrary to any simplistic assertions, the fault line is not along Israel-Haters against Israel, but it runs along North American Left, International Left, Israeli left, against the global Ultra-Right-Wing forces. It is simple as that. Posted by: Werner Thomas at October 13, 2003 04:29 PM |
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